Orfice tube /Expansion valve

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  • 08/08/2021 12:27 PM
    Message # 10883008
    Anonymous

    I have a 2007 Bounder 36Z with F53 chassis and 6.8 motor. Am having compressor replaced and the mechanic can’t locate the orfice tube or the expansion valve (depending which it takes) and can’t seem to find any info on it. Called REV they gave me a email to use and I still have no response from them after a couple of tries. If there is anyone who might have an idea please let me know. Trying to get drawings or as builds hasn’t been successful. Thanks so much in advance. Bill

  • 08/09/2021 8:05 AM
    Reply # 10914919 on 10883008
    Anonymous

    Orifice tubes and expansion valves are always placed at or very close to the evaporator core.  If there is no obvious location for an orifice tube in the high pressure liquid line, before the evaporator, your unit most likely has an expansion valve.  I just replaced the expansion valve on my 2001 Bounder 36S DP and it was located inside the HVAC case directly at the evaporator.  It was necessary to remove the HVAC case from the inside of the coach.  The job was not as difficult as i expected but was a pain.  If your tech is replacing a compressor he should also replace the receiver dryer.  In my case, the dessicant bag in the receiver dryer had ruptured and the dessicant had stopped up the two check valves on the outlet side of the receiver dryer.  If your coach has these two check valves it is not necessary to reinstall them as they are only used by the chassis manufacturer during assembly and shipment to the coach builder. Good luck!
  • 08/09/2021 10:59 AM
    Reply # 10919849 on 10883008
    Anonymous

    I really appreciate your response. We were thinking the same thing but wasn’t sure as the lines lead to the hvac box in the hood compartment and couldn’t find any signs of orfice or expansion valve. I took it to my regular mechanic and he wasn’t sure about RV’s. So I guess we’ll try figuring  out how to get access to it from the inside. We were planning to replace the drier along with the compressor and flushing the system. Again thanks for your response. Bill

  • 08/09/2021 12:08 PM
    Reply # 10920024 on 10883008
    Anonymous

    The components in my chassis HVAC were made by Denso.  I've attached a catalog just in case you can use it.  

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  • 08/09/2021 4:06 PM
    Reply # 10920716 on 10883008
    Anonymous

    Thank you, this gives me an idea as what to look for. Now it’s time to get to seeing how the dash comes apart so we can get to it. It might be awhile as the old bones don’t get into contorted positions as easy as they once did.

  • 08/10/2021 10:40 AM
    Reply # 10922488 on 10883008
    Anonymous

    Mr Howard is this what your access panel looked like? If so do you know how it comes off. I have pulled desktop trays out and am having a problem trying to locate how it is secured in. It is the denso unit.

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  • 08/11/2021 12:42 PM
    Reply # 10924949 on 10922488
    Anonymous

    Mine's probably not exactly like yours because mine's a diesel but is probably close.  I first removed a small cabinet and drawers that was fastened to the floor at the center of the dash where your 'dog house' would be.  I the removed the vertical close out panel to the right of the cabinet where the 120V outlet and A/C duct are located.  The screws were not visible because they were screwed thru or were covered by the carpet so I removed the carpet which we're replacing soon.  Note that screws were used on the two sides and staples on the bottom.  Only when the panel was removed could I see the 3 sided wood 'frame' that was attached to the floor, the right outer wall, and the cabinet.  Once this stuff was removed it was only a matter of disconnecting some wiring and approximately 8 screws that hold the evaporator case to the wooden 'firewall.'  NOTE that the heater case was separate and did not have to be removed.  All it took was some twisting and coaxing the evaporator case.  Just reverse the process to reassemble. Be sure to add a sealing puddy, etc. on the case where necessary. I have attached a couple of pics that might help you.  

    Regarding reharging; I couldn't find a freon capacity anywhere so I used a pressure/temperature chart.  It was cooling well with 3 lbs. of 134a but 1 more lb. lowered my outlet temperature to 43 degrees.  Please let me know how it goes for you.

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  • 08/12/2021 3:01 PM
    Reply # 10927732 on 10883008
    Anonymous

    Thanks for the info and pictures. Mine looks like yours just a little less room. Glad to hear it can come out separate from the fan side. I was going to follow the denso manual but I’m going to try yours first. It took two days to get the screws out. One side per day as frustration sets in early these days. I will keep you updated and again thanks so much.

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  • 08/13/2021 9:30 PM
    Reply # 10930487 on 10883008
    Anonymous

    Mr. Orr, the fan is part of the evaporator case and it will come out as a unit.  The heater/defrost case is mounted above the evaporator case.  You might want to take a close look at the illustration in the Denso Parts Manual.  On mine, the screws were pretty easy to see and access.  

  • 08/18/2021 3:39 PM
    Reply # 10939950 on 10883008
    Anonymous

    Well just a update on what has happened so far. Thanks to Mr Howard I was able to get the unit out. Once the face cover came off the rest wasn’t that bad. I did have to cut off the suction hose at the compressor as it was froze on. Now the next problem have gotten with Denso, Rev group, Ford and auto parts stores. Only thing I have found so far is the compressor and drier. Still need the evaporator, expansion valve, and hose I had to cut off. I’m still looking for part numbers as no one has a match for the denso catalog and denso sent me to Ford but they don’t have anything on it. So I’m on to the net and look some more. 

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